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Infobox image
[edit]Recently, I changed the image in the infobox for this article, which was later reverted by @StasiaNote. I did this because the image shown in the infobox is the following painting:
The reason I decided to remove this painting as the depiction for Muslims is primarily because of the artist himself, Jean-Léon Gérôme. Gérôme is infamously known for his participation in Orientalism, even the lead image on that article shows a painting by Gérôme. His article also discusses his Orientalist legacy. By using this image (and only this depiction of Muslims is used in the entire article), Wikipedia risks associating itself with Orientalism, which would violate NPOV.
I certainly recommend replacing the Gérôme painting with a less controversial image. When I removed the painting, I replaced it with the following photograph. I thought it would be the most helpful as:
- Every person depicted in the image is certainly a Muslim.
- The location is an area important to the religion of Islam.
- A diverse group of people are represented in the photo.
- The people are participating an Islamic ritual.
If, for whatever reason, this image is also controversial, then I suggest the usage of one of the images in the below gallery.
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Muslim men praying in Indonesia
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Muslim women in Iran during Qadr night.
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Muslim prayer in Damascus
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Eid al-fitr prayer in Zahedan
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Jiangwan Mosque, Yangpu District, Shanghai, China
―Howard • 🌽33 19:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not only this but even within Islam illustrations of living beings is very controversial. I agree with the reasons you have listed which favour these selected photographs. The first image capturing pilgrims in Mecca is a great image suitable to be used. I also like the one capturing Muslims praying in Zahedan, as it shows a great amount of Muslims. 58.106.179.154 (talk) 12:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot follow you. What do you mean by "risks associating tiself with Orientalism"? Here, the cited definition of the article:
"In art history, literature and cultural studies, Orientalism is the imitation or depiction of aspects of the Eastern world (or "Orient") by writers, designers, and artists from the Western world. Orientalist painting, particularly of the Middle East"
- How is the image cultural appropriation by drawing Muslims? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- The painting has been described as Orientalist by various sources.[1][2][3] It is also important to note that the painting itself features a topographical inaccuracy which would have the subjects praying in a direction other than Mecca.[4] Gerome was probably not aiming to depict a faithful Muslim prayer here, and we have better images anyway. ―Howard • 🌽33 16:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ O’Regan, Maebh (2008-01-01). "Painting, Politics and Propaganda". Journal of Irish and Scottish Studies. 2 (1): 142. doi:10.57132/jiss.163. ISSN 2753-328X.
- ^ Gill, Hélène (2002). "French orientalist painting as a transcultural exercise: an ambiguous gaze". ASCALF Bulletin. 25: 13.
- ^ Martin, Meredith (2017-01-02). "History Repeats Itself in Jean-Léon Gérôme's Reception of the Siamese Ambassadors". The Art Bulletin. 99 (1): 19. doi:10.1080/00043079.2017.1265287. ISSN 0004-3079.
- ^ Fantasy or ethnography : irony and collusion in subaltern representation. Columbus, Ohio : Division of Comparative Studies in the Humanities, Ohio State University. 1996. pp. 120–121.
Unlisted populations
[edit]Why are none of the other countries listed like khazakistan etc? You can even see the percentages for the country itself on its wiki... 173.80.7.142 (talk) 01:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024
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Please list Hindustani language before Bengali language in infobox as it has more than double the total Muslim speakers l1 and l2 combined. Hindustani (includes both registers Urdu and Hindi) is spoken by Muslims of India (specially in North India and every major city of India) and Pakistan. Whereas Bengali is limited to Bengal region. 2404:3100:1453:85AF:1:0:D5A9:E9BD (talk) 07:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 11:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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The Muslim Population has officially passed 2 Billion. According to the very source 3 linked on the population 1.9 number. All stats used are from 2020 or prior. The projections in all the linked sources show that it’d be 2 billion by now. Again the 3rd source for the 1.9 billion number already updated itself to 2 billion and Wikipedia should update the number as well. Thank you. 2601:447:CB80:C1D0:8DD8:6149:7E06:5C5 (talk) 05:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Are there any sources that state the population has passed 2 billion not as a prediction? FifthFive (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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