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Artemis 2

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I think NASA is launching Artemis 2 in May 2024, is that event significant enough to be put on this page? InjectableBacon (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's been pushed back to November. But should definitely be included if/when the mission happens. It'll be the closest humans have come to the Moon since the early 1970s. Wjfox2005 (talk) 08:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 00:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's also been pushed back to 2025, so maybe on that page? (also artemis iii should go on the 2026 page) 2600:8802:3A0B:3000:2CCD:AD72:18E2:C2B9 (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jueni 61.5.28.69 (talk) 22:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 collage

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Olympic rings on the Eiffel Tower
Bangladeshi Prime Ministers office surrounded by protestors
The damaged Crocus city hall, with emergency workers looking through the wreckage
A man operating a drone in front of destroyed buildings at_Wajima Asaichi.
A display screen in an airport displaying a 'Blue screen of death' error.
Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei leading a funeral service.
Donald Trump and JD Vance
People wearing protective eyewear looking up into the sky during a solar eclipse
From left to right, top to bottom:

As we head towards the end of the year, these are suggestions for the 2024 collage:

ArionStar (talk) 03:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Time has reached September 16, and in my opinion, the 2024 Noto earthquake now has a strong competitor: Typhoon Yagi. So far, it has caused at least 881 deaths, 1,314 missing persons, and $14 billion in damage across 6 (and possibly 8) Asian countries. Its international impact is far greater than that of the Noto earthquake. The post-disaster assessment is still ongoing, and given that at least 1,314 people are missing, the future death toll is highly likely to exceed 1,000, and possibly even 2,000. Economic losses are also still being calculated; the current $14 billion loss could soon catch up to the Noto earthquake's $17.6 billion damage. Overall, I believe Typhoon Yagi is a more significant event than the Noto earthquake. Nagae Iku (talk) 17:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just now, the casualty figures have been updated again, with as many as 10,064 people possibly missing. If these missing persons are ultimately declared dead, I really can't think of any reason to oppose a tropical cyclone that has caused tens of thousands of deaths being included in the 2024 collage. Nagae Iku (talk) 17:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good considerations, but the Typhoon article is shorter than the earthquake one and contains fewer images. ArionStar (talk) 08:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My vision of the collage had long included the inclusion of the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season. Look at the death tolls, records broken and economic loss of Hurricane Helene, Hurricane Milton, Hurricane Beryl and Hurricane Oscar and tell me it shouldn't be included. It has also birthed conspiracy theories that confused millions.
Other than that, I recommend we start adding longer captions below the images, just like we see in the timeline of the year. Since 2024 has been such a complicated year, I say we should combine the events related to the American presidential election and the crisis in the Middle East into one. For example:
After also becoming the first president to be convicted of felony charges in May for the Stormy Daniels-Donald Trump scandal hush money trial, former president of the United States Donald Trump is shot in an assassination attempt during a political rally in Butler, Pennsylvania by shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks. Trump remains slightly injured but Mr. Crooks and a rallygoer are killed. In September he survives an additional alleged assassination attempt at Trump International Golf Club by Ryan Wesley Routh, a pro-Ukraine activist. Trump’s continued changing of his public image will influenced his outcome in the 2024 United States presidential election, in which despite his controversial public image, he won against Democratic nominee Kamala Harris.
DementiaGaming (talk) 03:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can describe 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement and Non-cooperation movement (2024) as Student–People's uprising because those protests were really connected. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 13:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just did this collage. What about it? ArionStar (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed it. There is no consensus yet, and collages should not be added until the end of the year. DementiaGaming (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also had some ideas of my own, including the Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York and his more recent assassination attempt. Also, we should obviously include an image of the continuing Israel-Hamas war. It is impossible to ignore; there have been so many events related to it, including the Flour massacre, the Rafah offensive, and the spillover including events such as the 2024 Iran-Israel conflict, the 2024 missile strikes in Yemen, and the protests on university campuses. I also believe the Crocus City Hall attack is worthy enough to be included. DementiaGaming (talk) 23:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About Trump, we can expect, if he wins the presidential election, there would be just a only picture of his possible victory mentioning his assassination attempt in the caption; the Crocus attack is a good replacement for the prisoner exchange. ArionStar (talk) 23:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can add the Middle East event since the collage is currently supersaturated by American ones. ArionStar (talk) 23:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DementiaGaming: a new version uploaded. ArionStar (talk) 00:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support including the winner of the 2024 United States presidential election, which I presume the American flag is a placeholder for. The winner will make history--just to start, Trump will be the second non-consecutive president, Harris will be the first female president. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 01:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Inclusion of the 2024 Winner - my reasons are the same as Adams' above. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. I support this too. This is definitely the latest in a series of American elections that should have been included in the collages. DementiaGaming (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think including something related to the election is fine, but I would strongly oppose the US flag being it. As an icon it is far too prominent over the other images, and not relevant at all to the year. Needs to be a picture of either Trump doing something election related, or, ideally, Trump and Harris. JeffUK 16:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment in my opinion many of these entries are superfluous, and I think I would keep the helicopter crash that killed the president of Iran, the summer Olympics, the earthquake in Japan, the demonstrations in Bangladesh and perhaps the prisoner exchange and the floods in Brazil. The rest was notorious in the press, but without long impact for the rest of the year and for practical purposes: US elections are every 4 years and are always held ordinarily (we can open the debate if Harris becomes the first woman president. The election of Trump again would not be noticeable in that sense because it is no longer surprising); the collapse of the Francis Scott Key bridge did not have a noticeable continental, regional or global economic impact; the death of Piñera in an accident was very unfortunate, but he was no longer president of Chile.

I believe that the enlargement of BRICS, the attempted coup in Bolivia, the abdication of the Queen of Denmark, the integration of Sweden into NATO, the attack on Crocus City Hall, the enlargement of the Schengen Area, the Ecuador-Mexico crisis and the attempted assassination of a European head of government deserve more attention. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alsoriano97: this is the caption:
Clockwise, from top left: Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei leading the funeral for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps soldiers killed in a Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus; protesters cheering in front of the Bangladeshi prime minister's office after Sheikh Hasina's resignation during the non-cooperation movement; multiple blue screens of death caused by a worldwide faulty CrowdStrike software update on baggage carousels at LaGuardia Airport, New York City; the 2024 United States presidential election is scheduled to be held on November 5; aftermath of a 7.5 magnitude earthquake that struck the Noto Peninsula in Japan, killed at least 339 people and injured 1,327 others; the 2024 Summer Olympics are held in Paris, France; people are seen as they watch the total solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 through protective glasses at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in Indiana; Krasnogorsk's Crocus City Hall auditorium after a attack that caused 145 deaths and injured 551, in the deadliest terrorist attack on Russian soil since the Beslan school siege in 2004.
It seems balanced enough, IMO. ArionStar (talk) 23:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update:
Clockwise, from top left: Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei leading the funeral prayer for Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, who was assassinated along with his personal bodyguard in Tehran by an apparent Israeli attack; protesters cheering in front of the Bangladeshi prime minister's office after Sheikh Hasina's resignation during the non-cooperation movement; multiple blue screens of death caused by a worldwide faulty CrowdStrike software update on baggage carousels at LaGuardia Airport, New York City; the 2024 United States presidential election is scheduled to be held on November 5; aftermath of a 7.5 magnitude earthquake that struck the Noto Peninsula in Japan, caused at least 376 deaths and injured 1,335 others; the 2024 Summer Olympics are held in Paris, France; people are seen as they watch the total solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 through protective glasses at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in Indiana; Krasnogorsk's Crocus City Hall auditorium after a attack that killed 145 people and injured 551, in the deadliest terrorist attack on Russian soil since the Beslan school siege in 2004. ArionStar (talk) 22:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need only one statement per image to keep the caption as short and readable as possible. E.g:
Clockwise, from top left: Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei leading the funeral prayer for Ismail Haniyeh; protesters cheering after Bangladeshi prime minister Sheikh Hasina's resignation; multiple blue screens of death caused by a worldwide faulty CrowdStrike software update. Donald Trump wins the 2024 United States presidential election; a 7.5 magnitude earthquake strikes the Noto Peninsula in Japan. The 2024 Summer Olympics are held in Paris, France; people watch the total solar eclipse of April 8, 2024; Crocus City Hall auditorium after the deadliest terrorist attack on Russian soil. JeffUK 15:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should not include the election again of Donald Trump. He has been re-elected, it is no longer so suspenseful, nor so notorious (Biden's election was not reasonably included in 2020). One more election in this world and it takes the place of events that are more notorious: deadly floods in Spain, Sweden joining NATO, the attempted assassination of a European head of government, the comet of the century, ... _-_Alsor (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are forgetting about the two assassination attempts, record-breaking turnout in the election, and the first convicted felon to be president of the United States events involving Trump. In my opinion those events and him winning should be combined into one image on the collage. DementiaGaming (talk) 17:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Deadly floods were common this year, vide 2024 Rio Grande do Sul floods, 2024 Persian Gulf floods and 2024 Central European floods ArionStar (talk) 01:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of them with more than 200 fatalities and almost 100 missing. _-_Alsor (talk) 07:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2024_Afghanistan–Pakistan_floods too. Personally I would replace the Japan earthquake with one of these, 3 images of 'general destruction' is out of balance in my opinion. JeffUK 09:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So? What does the death toll matter? It's more about its notoriety and the records it broke. It's also about the economic loss, and frankly, Helene might be the costliest disaster in United States history, we don't know yet. DementiaGaming (talk) 11:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so? Perfect for 2024 in the United States. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That someone tried to assassinate Trump is notorious, but in a country with a serious problem with gun use doesn't make it any more notorious than if it had happened in another country. And that he is the first felon elected president is trivial. _-_Alsor (talk) 07:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can whoever adds the collage please try to abide by the guidance here Wikipedia:Collage_tips per the closure notes of last years' RFC, I'm particularly keen for us to NOT add another single-image collage, as they are terrible for accessibility. JeffUK 15:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I worked out how to do it myself! I've added the proposed image to the top of this section. If others would like to edit that themselves I'm happy for them to do so (one of the many benefits of using this template over an image is we can all edit it rather than it being 'owned' by one person! (Also, massively more accessible, and you can click the images!) We can use this as a placeholder for whatever consensus we reach on this image. JeffUK 16:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I finished my collage but I am blocked due to my disruptive behavior on Commons; I replaced the flag with the following Trump's photo: File:Former President Donald Trump paying respect to Corey Comperatore (53887491621).jpg.
Caption:
Clockwise, from top left: Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei leading the funeral prayer for Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, who was assassinated along with his personal bodyguard in Tehran by an apparent Israeli attack; protesters cheering in front of the Bangladeshi prime minister's office after Sheikh Hasina's resignation during the non-cooperation movement; multiple blue screens of death caused by a worldwide faulty CrowdStrike software update on baggage carousels at LaGuardia Airport, New York City; Donald Trump, re-elected for a second non-consecutive term as President of the United States, standing alongside the fire department uniform of Corey Comperatore, who was killed during the attempted assassination of Trump occurred at a campaign rally near Butler, Pennsylvania; aftermath of a 7.5 magnitude earthquake that struck the Noto Peninsula in Japan, caused at least 376 deaths and injured 1,335 others; the 2024 Summer Olympics are held in Paris, France; people are seen as they watch the total solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 through protective glasses at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in Indiana; Krasnogorsk's Crocus City Hall auditorium after a terrorist attack that killed 145 people and injured 551, the deadliest on Russian soil since the Beslan school siege in 2004. ArionStar (talk) 00:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer the multi-image template for all the reasons above. Do you have any thoughts on that? JeffUK 08:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My question is: if we change the 2024 collage, shouldn't we change the ones from previous years? ArionStar (talk) 16:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely! But it's not a binary decision, no reason we can't start here and work backwards, there's no rush to make them all look identical. I'm starting here as it's an active discussion, and we've got the opportunity to do it right first time on this article. JeffUK 17:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have completed the collage for you. The dimensions may differ slightly from your version, but the proportions are the same. If there's anything you're not satisfied with, please feel free to let me know. Nagae Iku (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nagae Iku: thank you for doing it! The Canva metadata was removed by now, but, it's not a problem… On October 10, 2025 (or earlier) I'll be back to fix it. ArionStar (talk) 20:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think File:Donald Trump and JD Vance at the 2024 NYC 9 11 Remembrance Ceremony.jpg is the best photo to illustrate Trump's election. For several reasons, actually. One is that the picture includes people besides simply Trump. Donald Trump Jr. is a footnote in the election. And J.D. Vance (while Trump's running-mate) seems to have been a side-character in the campaign, akin perhaps to Dan Quayle. I don't think most people's main takeaways from Trump's election relate to Vance at all. SecretName101 (talk) 07:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unbalanced due to tragedies?

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2020 was deadly, 2021 for manifestations… Any thoughts? ArionStar (talk) 00:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I don't understand your point. What is 'unbalanced'? What should be do about that? What does '2021 for manifestations' mean? JeffUK 10:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per my suggestion about the Trump's image: as well as the 2021 collage was about manifestations (three pics), the 2024 one contains the Hamas leader assassination, assassination attempt on Trump, earthquake in Japan, terrorist attack in Russia… too tragic? ArionStar (talk) 13:29, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should a Ban of Twitter in Brazil entry be included?

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ArionStar (talk) 15:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

YES something must be added on September Superyassi362 (talk) 10:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support because it received international coverage, and Elon Musk is an international public figure. These kinds of entries don't always have enough due weight, but this done does. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Exclude, I think an argument could be made if the ban of Twitter/X had its own article but it seems to be a small component of Brazils general issues with Elon Musk which is more fitting for 2024 in Brazil.
We currently don’t include India’s ban of TikTok in 2020 in spite of both India and TikTok being larger than Brazil and Twitter/X so it is hard for me to justify it here. PaulRKil (talk) 12:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include. It does seem notable, given Twitter's influence. Wjfox2005 (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Israel-Hezbollah deadliest day

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Weak exclude for me. This is in regards to event outlining the deadliest day of the Israel-Hezbollah conflict since 2006. I'm not disregarding the amount of lives lost, which is a tragedy, but it isn't exactly a novel thing unlike the pager explosions, offensive in Rafah, and preemptive strikes in Lebanon. It's part of the Israel-Hezbollah conflict, and the even more broad Israel-Arab conflict. It is for the same reason that the Burkina Faso attacks that killed 200 people was removed. I want to reiterate: I'm not disregarding the tragic loss of life, and am not dismissing it as NORMAL, like an editor accused me of. I am just merely questioning its validity here in the 2024 article. This has been a divisive topic and I'd appreciate input. Thanks.

Include. Nearly 600 killed, thousands injured, and 90,000 displaced in just two days. Countries around the world – including the US, Canada, France and Japan – urging their citizens to leave. 700 British troops will be deployed to Cyprus to handle these evacuations. Front page headlines across major news outlets, and clearly an escalation of tensions in the region, not something to be dismissed so easily. Wjfox2005 (talk) 14:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include because it marks the beginning of major hostilities. For ongoing major armed conflicts, the beginning of major hostilities usually deserves mention. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 01:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General consensus is that we don't include most deaths, apart from heads of state/government.

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The articles for years used to include a section of some very notable deaths, but this was discontinued due to disputes regarding whether some deaths should be mentioned, and which photographs should be included. Now we just have a link to Deaths in 2024.

  • One major exception is deaths of heads of state/government. We almost always include deaths of incumbents, and sometimes include deaths of previous heads of state/government. For prior heads, we use the same criteria for regular entries, including due weight and circumstances regarding their deaths.
  • A good example is the Killing of Yahya Sinwar, who led Hamas' de facto government of the Gaza Strip, which was included.

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure if you are just reiterating prior consensus or trying to find consensus, but I support this regardless. PaulRKil (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't try and make this talk page about pseudo-policies for and against inclusion. That's been done before here and did not end well. That's how we end up with 17 pages of archives in Talk:2022, most of which was entirely unproductive. Consensus is based on, and only on, Wikipedia:Consensus.
JeffUK 08:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Making the quality of articles worse for the sake of avoiding tedious discussions seems to defeat the purpose of a talk page in a user-generated encyclopedia. By linking to Deaths in 2024, you're redirecting users to a long and incoherent catalogue. People won't learn anything of encyclopedic value because the vast, vast majority of people in that list, I would say 98%, are largely obscure figures. Folks won't be saying, “Oh, look at that, Henry Kissinger died in November 2023, how interesting”, they'll be seeing a list of more than 30 people who died on November 1, which includes politicians who served one term in any country's parliament nearly fifty years ago. You for Me and Me for You (talk) 01:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have opposed in the past the blanket removal of the 'deaths' section in these articles, but the consensus was that they should not be included; you're welcome to start that conversation again but this thread isn't even a proposal, it's just a vague statement of the status quo, so I don't think you'll make any progress here. JeffUK 10:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On reflection I'm wondering if your objection might be better resolved if we were to have a better Deaths in 2024 article? You could, for example, work on the lead part of that article to include a small number of significantly reported deaths, such that the reader sees something more helpful than a 'long and incoherent catalogue.' JeffUK 14:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is an interesting idea, but I would presumably also need to achieve a consensus in order to make those changes, no? You for Me and Me for You (talk) 18:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and I'm still dissapointed because of that to this date. SrGarga (talk) 19:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not declare a winner of the 2024 United States presidential election before confirmed.

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I'm contributing to that article, and it's unknown how long it will take for 5 major media networks to declare a winner. The prior 2020 United States presidential election, held on 3 November, took until 7 November to have a winner confirmed. On the day of the election, just use this until a winner is called:

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure 'election is held' is necessarily the right way of putting it. "Final day of popular voting" or something would be more strictly accurate; as 'the election' has been being held for the last few weeks, and will continue to 'be held' for a few days after the polls close. The new president won't be 'elected' until the electoral college decides, surely? That said, I can't think of an uncontroversial alternative off the top of my head!
JeffUK 08:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trump is re-elected; the collage is finished. ArionStar (talk) 12:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree in retrospect. But in 2020, it took days to call the winner. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19th November 2024

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Which consider more notable and should be included ?

Support just the first one, because it was mentioned in ITN and has sufficient due weight. The SpaceX flight doesn't have enough due weight for this article, but does for 2024 in science and technoloy. The 1000th day of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in my view doesn't have enough due weight, as it's just a length of time and not a major update or development in the armed conflict. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all three due to non-sufficient notability. The HK verdict is confined to local impacts and is merely a consequence of a new law coming into effect. The other two are routine milestones that occur naturally after each milestone has been reached and lack inherent notability. HKRailEnthusiast (talk) 15:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all three. The Hong Kong verdict lacks international notability. The SpaceX flight doesn't seem as notable as the previous one which had the dramatic return and first capture of the Starship's booster. The Russian milestone is somewhat notable but we don't normally include these sorts of milestones on main year pages, as they're just numbers rather than actual events. Wjfox2005 (talk) 21:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

30th November 2024

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I think we should add something else: The latest attack on Aleppo by Syrian rebels for example. Superyassi362 (talk) 16:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I've added it. Wjfox2005 (talk) 20:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support inclusion. Given this is a rapidly-developing situation, we may need to add additional entries, move it to the lead, or modify the entry. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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